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GroundPounder
// alan sabrosky

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/20/pa...strategic-void/

// sibel edmunds and lew rockwell podcast

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-sho...f-the-us-state/
GroundPounder
//alan sabrosky again - wraps up 9/11 nicely, only a grand jury needed.

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/06/...ics-of-mistake/


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//original link

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/28/de...ics-of-mistake/
KP50
QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jun 29 2011, 09:34 PM) *
//alan sabrosky again - wraps up 9/11 nicely, only a grand jury needed.

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/06/...ics-of-mistake/


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//original link

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/28/de...ics-of-mistake/

Interesting article but too much focussed on nations (Israel does this, America does this) which is exactly how "they" want us to think. There is a long-term plan, it does centre in the middle East and the nations of Israel is a part of it. 9/11 was an important stepping stone along the way. But the nations themselves don't actually matter, they are just a tool along the way to bring the desired result.

And the MSM hides plenty of truth which is unrelated to Israel. They hide anything which goes against the official storylines of the important media events which shape our views.
GroundPounder
i differ w/ you on the notion of nation-states not mattering. as a us citizen, in theory, i have a say in matters pertaining to the us. i have no say, even in theory, in matters of other nation-states, let alone some supra-national organization such as the eu or un.

not that it matters much, the invertebrate butt-lickers that are collectively known as the us congress, are busy selling our sovereignty for baubles and trinkets.
KP50
QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jun 30 2011, 10:58 AM) *
i differ w/ you on the notion of nation-states not mattering. as a us citizen, in theory, i have a say in matters pertaining to the us. i have no say, even in theory, in matters of other nation-states, let alone some supra-national organization such as the eu or un.

not that it matters much, the invertebrate butt-lickers that are collectively known as the us congress, are busy selling our sovereignty for baubles and trinkets.

I agree with you - it matters very much.

My point was that it doesn't matter to the shadowy "they" who planned and executed 9/11. The nation of Israel was created for a reason, I believe we are yet to see the true reason for it - but the amount of money spent to keep Israel powerful suggests that the reason is critical to "their" plans. I would hazard a rough guess that the powers behind the creation of Israel are the same powers behind 9/11. Hence Israel isn't controlling anything, it is being controlled and acting as a tool.

As you point out, nation states are on their way out in favour of global organisations - we're all pawns in the big game.
GroundPounder
have you ever heard the term 'cop out'? it's what some of the guys in nuremburg tried to use, you know, 'i was just doing my job'. i hear a lot of that now-a-days. as if being part of a system greater than yourself exonerates any wrong doing on your part. it doesn't. the old expression, 'you can't fight city hall' has been so inculcated into the mass psyche, that people have become immobilized or sheeple-fied. city hall is a structure made of stone and glass. it is the flesh and blood people that make it what it is, and they have no more rights than you do. and in those immortal words, 'if it bleeds, we can kill it', is where you find how to fight city hall once it has become corrupted beyond repair. a college buddy of mine in the 70's stated so eloquently, 'purify with fire, burn the mother fucker down.' my guess is, he was familiar w/ thomas jefferson.

like sabrosky said, we have lots of evidence. if we have a bureau of investigation that either through malfeasance or misfeasance, can't get the job done, coupled with a dept of justice that also doesn't dispense justice, then what have we got? nobody speaking for the victims and our ever eroding rights, that's what.


justice delayed is justice denied. that ain't gonna fly. not this time. sit on the fence if that's what you need to do, be an apologist that the task is too big, the enemy too well entrenched, be the cartoon smurf who said, 'we'll never make it'. be a spectator in the game of life.

i don't care about the 'reasons' things get done, because everybody has a reason, no matter how poorly formulated it is. i've played a lot of chess and one thing i have learned is, you do not win by playing the other guys' game.

edit: fixed typos
GroundPounder
what to do:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/05/ri...-to-the-people/
GroundPounder
the illuminati and communists. excellent imho.

here:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=30145


or:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmindJnEDvo...player_embedded
GroundPounder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Ffz0koJbI
SanderO
I certainly am not an apologist for Israel. Her behavior has been atrocious in recent decades. However, I believe that there were many Jews around the world who wanted a safe haven because they believed in a sort of universal antisemitism which continually services and has resulted in at least one attempt to wipe them out. So for the surviving Jews Zionism meant a safe secure state for them. Of course the trouble is that they expelled people who lived in what became Israel and the neighboring countries didn't seem to want them in the neighborhood. Had Israel been a truly democratic as opposed to a theocratic state it could have been defended based on its behavior going forward after the questionable legitimacy of its creation.

But Israel was taken over by the religious right whose claim for annexing more Palestinian land was based on their interpretation of the bible and that's not playing well with the Arab world or for that matter the rest of the world. The USA has many rich and powerful jews/zionists who have maneuvered US policy to be pro Israel and made her our BFF in the the ME so a nation who attacks our ally will have the mighty USA to deal with... And of course we have a strategic interest in the region's oil. So the USA plays both sides and slips into a less rational position as the ally of an anti-democratic racist state. Lovely.

Could 911 have been a staged event by zionist interests to manipulate the US public and her policies? Conceptually it seems sound. But practically is another matter.

I think we need to focus on solving the technical aspects of the crime before we look to the finger the criminals. If there were a legal proceeding were witnesses could be compelled to testify under oath many of these speculations could be confirmed or denied. Right now they are nothing by speculation, compelling as they may seem. And things never are as they seem at first glance.
GroundPounder
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=30349

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/182-doi...urrency-shuffle

on the plus side, 99.99+% of our brothers and sisters live another day and now you can get a free college
education:

http://www.uopeople.org/
GroundPounder
this isn't links, more of a summation.

for years i've been keeping numbers and feeding them into excel. that's how i knew gold was going up and was going to continue to do so, hey, it cracked $1600. ten years and still going up.

in 1954, the base price of a corvette was $2774. in 1971, it was $5496. two years later it was $5561. plotting that data into excel showed that a 2006 corvette should have cost $10000. but it didn't. it was $43,700+ .
well, you may ask, 'what does that matter'. well, it depends.

i began the whole exercise to find the correlation between corvette (previous passion) price, money in circulation and national debt. it was interesting. plotting the national debt, again in excel (which i got to tell you has forecasting abilities from i don't know where) nailed it as far as the projection done in 2005 for 2010 went. i revisited the data today. with an r squared = 1, it shows the us national debt at $24 TRILLION in 2015.

bottom line, i don't see it. that's a crazy number. more crazy that the 13.7 trillion projected for 2010 was back in 2005. i am slow, and i'll be the first to admit it, but i don't see us making it to 2015. considering all the social engineering that has been going on, 2012 begins to take on a strange kind of significance.

well, here's a link anyway (not my original intent):

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/head-worl...ting-early-2013

as always the comments are the diamonds in the rough.

edit:

and then there's this:

http://www.geraldcelente.proboards.com/ind...amp;thread=1476

edit2:

if God can't interfere w/ someone's free will, what makes you think you can?
albertchampion
since we are reading and listening

http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/17/groundbr...yth-vary-baker/
GroundPounder
http://lewrockwell.com/reed/reed210.html
GroundPounder
http://badquaker.com/archives/724

http://sip-dis.blogspot.com/2011/07/zeta-7...licate-atf.html

so my question is, which of the compromised alphabet soup agencies, bureaus, departments etc., is not involved in this?
GroundPounder
examples of micro:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=23735

and macro suckage:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28683.htm

GroundPounder
the less than 4 minute case for gold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvL_Dm2d99A...player_embedded
GroundPounder
title says it all:

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=24026
GroundPounder
a slightly different crop circle:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/ch...horse2011a.html
albertchampion
in case you are missing it....
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/governm...-part-four.html
GroundPounder
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Jul 28 2011, 08:11 AM) *


worth watching. some old familiar names and some new ones.

the following is a short vid of sam harris. he asks good questions in a humorous way. his answers are, well, his answers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6BxzA3hbGc...player_embedded

add the following to the list of 'humanitarian' missions. a euphemism for what the title states:

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/23-07-...o_war_crimes-0/
GroundPounder
http://www.copblock.org/5475/when-should-you-shoot-a-cop/
Tamborine man



Money money money

it's so funny

in a rich man's world

di di da da da da

tra la tra la lalala .......


http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/



GroundPounder
QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Jul 30 2011, 03:29 PM) *


nice graphics
GroundPounder
"In the age of lies, even the clumsiest frankness is preferable to the best-orchestrated ruse." - Albert Camus

i am on the fence as far dr judy wood goes. however, anomalies are still data to me. i do not toss 'flyer data points'...that would be..unwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8b_jdIaPYE


i watched the vid and somewhere in the process the thought occurred to me that there may be a parallel between hutchison and the 'philadelphia experiment'...predictive programming or? if alan watt is correct that tptb are 100 years ahead technologically.....
GroundPounder
have a glass of wine, don't get stuck on the hollywood theatrics and grok the message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIa_WJBlTi0...player_embedded

i was 6 years old when jfk got murdered. i cried seeing his funeral on tv. before that happened, up the street from where i lived at the time, mcnamara's daughter got married i think, my brother ( 3 at the time) and i rode our bikes around and saw a bunch of people, rfk included. the press was there. we got written up in the washington post. point is this, there are not that many degrees of separation between any of us. living or dead.

GroundPounder
http://nullificationmovie.com/
GroundPounder
the things you run across when searching 'red cross rosicrucians'

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/apocal...uble_cross.html

http://www.tribwatch.com/utopia.htm

GroundPounder
how many men does it take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8En6Ag8y77M...player_embedded
GroundPounder
latest adrian salbuchi vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYY_d7paAk4
GroundPounder
watching this now ( worthy imho):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7vXKZciSok...player_embedded

edit: OH, YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS!!!
mrmitosis
QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Aug 14 2011, 11:50 AM) *
watching this now ( worthy imho):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7vXKZciSok...player_embedded

edit: OH, YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS!!!


Ryan Dawson is an egotistical sumbitch, but I personally consider all of his videos to be essential viewing.

You might expect someone who describes their own documentary - War By Deception - as "the best film ever made about 9/11" must be too arrogant to bother with. But the interesting thing is that he is probably right. War by Deception is so thorough, so meticulously researched and so brutally irreverent that it's hard not to pay attention.

The only sticking point for me is that he refuses to consider alternative views on what impacted the Pentagon. He calls anyone who disputes that it was a plane a "Missiletard". Once I get myself properly up to speed on P4T and CIT's research on AA77 and the problems with the official flight path, I plan to take him to task.

But I'm glad you appreciate his work GP.

For anyone who's interested, his YouTube channel is Rys2sense.
albertchampion
a better read?

http://lewrockwell.com/orig11/baker-r5.1.1.html
albertchampion
AND WATCHING.....

AMERICAN: THE BILL HICKS STORY
albertchampion
another interesting read.....

http://www.ctka.net/pr399-congo.html
GroundPounder
QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 18 2011, 03:22 AM) *
another interesting read.....

http://www.ctka.net/pr399-congo.html


agreed.
mrmitosis
A somewhat novel perspective on the inadequacy of NIST and FEMA's reports on the circumstances leading to the collapse of Building 7:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SCRUBEAZ#p/u/4/UGrZZUNrQfs
GroundPounder
QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Aug 21 2011, 05:08 AM) *
A somewhat novel perspective on the inadequacy of NIST and FEMA's reports on the circumstances leading to the collapse of Building 7:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SCRUBEAZ#p/u/4/UGrZZUNrQfs


indeed. thanks for sharing mrM !
GroundPounder
i'm around 85 statute miles from the 5.9 that just hit virginia. that was something. my ceiling fan was still oscillating 3 minutes after the fact. only one thing came off a shelf, but still...WOW. unfortunately it took iris.edu almost half an hour to post....

that will give some folks something to think about for a while!
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