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A. Syed
Hello everyone,

Remember the whole deal awhile back about the true identity of truthaction founder YT/Cosmos? He had for the longest time claimed to be a family member of a 9/11 victim, UA93 victim Mark "Mickey" Rothenberg.





No one would have ever questioned this if Cosmos didn't engage in behavior consistent with that of an agent provocateur, but Cosmos has attacked many of the finest activists and researchers in the movement, including Kevin Barrett, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Citizen Investigation Team, and even David Ray Griffin. He claims to do this because he sees himself as a "responsible" truther and he declares the above people/groups to be "irresponsible" truthers who in some way are "hurting the movement." You know the old saying, when a person points the finger too much, it's time to start looking at the person who's doing the pointing.

In addition to his suspicious behavior, there were a couple of other anomalies. Cosmos' story fluctuated, sometimes referring to Mickey as an "uncle," and later, a "family friend." And also, I publicly speculated that "Cosmos" might be one in the same with a person called Andrew Bernstein, an official story supporter who also publicly identified himself as a nephew of Rothenberg. It appears that I was incorrect in this particular speculation, because I did find the actual Andrew Bernstein, with a different face from "Cosmos" and whose description matches how he is introduced in an online article from 2006.

However, though the possibility of Cosmos and Bernstein being the same person was eliminated, my original expose did leave unanswered questions. Namely, whether the real survivors of Rothenberg actually have a close "family friend" who goes by the nickname "Cosmos." After nearly two years since my original speculative article, I finally followed up and gave Rothenberg's widow Meredith a call, to ask if she had ever heard of "Cosmos." Here is the result:



She's never heard of him.

Of course, this does not prove that Cosmos is an operative whose assignment was to infiltrate the movement. But it does prove he's a liar and fraud. Here is how his bio reads at 911TruthNews dot com:

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Cosmos is a survivor of Mark Rothenberg, a family friend who was murdered on September 11, 2001.


While Rothenberg, in the phone call, says that her husband traveled a lot, and therefore she didn't know everyone he was friends with, the key word here is family friend. This would imply that not just Mickey, but also his wife Meredith, and their two daughters, would know who "Cosmos" is. But she has never heard of him.

I was partially inspired to follow up on this after reading about the fake 9/11 survivor "Tania Head," who was actually in Spain on 9/11. She claimed to be a survivor from above the impact zone in the South Tower. She also claimed to have lost a fiance/husband (her story kept fluctuating like the Cosmos "uncle"/"friend" thing) in the North Tower.

Now, the person's name who she gave as her fiance really did exist. When people skeptical of the fiance/husband fluctuation decided to follow up and see if the name of the supposed fiance existed on the official death roster, they found that indeed he did exist. At that point, the skeptics of Head's story backed off and assumed that because the name really existed, that Tania's story was true. It wasn't until later, when people went the extra mile and contacted the family of the supposed fiance, that the family responded that they'd never heard of Tania.

Anyway, I see this as the final nail in the coffin for fake 9/11 victim "family member"... wait... "family friend" Cosmos/YT. So Cosmos, how will you now modify your bio? I can just imagine:

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Cosmos is a survivor of Mark Rothenberg, a close personal friend who died on 9/11, who always visited Cosmos when on business in San Francisco.


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You've been exposed as a liar and fraud once and for all, Cosmos!!!
Atomicbomb
Wow, good work Adam. I will be very interested to see "Cosmos" response to this. It is in his court now to firmly establish that Meridith was "confused" during this call or that she knows him by another name or whatever. It is clear to me that Adam Syed has done his due diligence to verify Cosmos story and Meridith clearly has not heard of "Cosmos". If "Cosmos" cannot show any sort of proof that his story is actually true and that Meridith was just confused on this phone call I would say he is BUSTED as a damned dirty, lying, bastard, scumbag, disinfo dealing, infiltraitor of the truth movement. We will see, won't we?

Just a pre-emptive point I would like to make. If "Cosmos" does not respond at this point I think it is only fair to conclude that he is in fact a liar and an infiltrator. I know that I would have no problem whatsoever establishing that I was a close family friend if I were in the same situation. I would have photos with myself and Mickey and Mickey's wife would sure as hell know who I was when asked. "Cosmos" has to prove himself at this point. Good work Mr. Syed. Any response to this Cosmos???

Sincerely,

Adam Ruff


QUOTE (A. Syed @ May 15 2012, 11:07 PM) *
Hello everyone,

Remember the whole deal awhile back about the true identity of truthaction founder YT/Cosmos? He had for the longest time claimed to be a family member of a 9/11 victim, UA93 victim Mark "Mickey" Rothenberg.





No one would have ever questioned this if Cosmos didn't engage in behavior consistent with that of an agent provocateur, but Cosmos has attacked many of the finest activists and researchers in the movement, including Kevin Barrett, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Citizen Investigation Team, and even David Ray Griffin. He claims to do this because he sees himself as a "responsible" truther and he declares the above people/groups to be "irresponsible" truthers who in some way are "hurting the movement." You know the old saying, when a person points the finger too much, it's time to start looking at the person who's doing the pointing.

In addition to his suspicious behavior, there were a couple of other anomalies. Cosmos' story fluctuated, sometimes referring to Mickey as an "uncle," and later, a "family friend." And also, I publicly speculated that "Cosmos" might be one in the same with a person called Andrew Bernstein, an official story supporter who also publicly identified himself as a nephew of Rothenberg. It appears that I was incorrect in this particular speculation, because I did find the actual Andrew Bernstein, with a different face from "Cosmos" and whose description matches how he is introduced in an online article from 2006.

However, though the possibility of Cosmos and Bernstein being the same person was eliminated, my original expose did leave unanswered questions. Namely, whether the real survivors of Rothenberg actually have a close "family friend" who goes by the nickname "Cosmos." After nearly two years since my original speculative article, I finally followed up and gave Rothenberg's widow Meredith a call, to ask if she had ever heard of "Cosmos." Here is the result:

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She's never heard of him.

Of course, this does not prove that Cosmos is an operative whose assignment was to infiltrate the movement. But it does prove he's a liar and fraud. Here is how his bio reads at 911TruthNews dot com:



While Rothenberg, in the phone call, says that her husband traveled a lot, and therefore she didn't know everyone he was friends with, the key word here is family friend. This would imply that not just Mickey, but also his wife Meredith, and their two daughters, would know who "Cosmos" is. But she has never heard of him.

I was partially inspired to follow up on this after reading about the fake 9/11 survivor "Tania Head," who was actually in Spain on 9/11. She claimed to be a survivor from above the impact zone in the South Tower. She also claimed to have lost a fiance/husband (her story kept fluctuating like the Cosmos "uncle"/"friend" thing) in the North Tower.

Now, the person's name who she gave as her fiance really did exist. When people skeptical of the fiance/husband fluctuation decided to follow up and see if the name of the supposed fiance existed on the official death roster, they found that indeed he did exist. At that point, the skeptics of Head's story backed off and assumed that because the name really existed, that Tania's story was true. It wasn't until later, when people went the extra mile and contacted the family of the supposed fiance, that the family responded that they'd never heard of Tania.

Anyway, I see this as the final nail in the coffin for fake 9/11 victim "family member"... wait... "family friend" Cosmos/YT. So Cosmos, how will you now modify your bio? I can just imagine:



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You've been exposed as a liar and fraud once and for all, Cosmos!!!

A. Syed
Just to cross all I's and dot all T's... (yes I said it backwards deliberately wink.gif )

I'm thinking that at this point, any response from "Cosmos" will be to claim that *only* 9/11 activists know him by that name, and that perhaps his loved ones/close friends don't know him by that name at all. To that effect, I have followed up and sent Meredith an e-mail with a couple of images of "Cosmos," so things can be sealed once and for all.

ETA:

In the mean time, Jon Gold seems content to speak out on behalf of "Cosmos:"

hxxp://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-15/san-franciscos-9th-annual-911-truth-rallymarch-satyagraha-truth-force-events-report#comment-237574

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Originally posted by Jon Gold:

As Cosmos has repeatedly said, it is a name he has gone by for 25 years, and his mother, and grandmother call him that. But regardless, I see value in remaining anonymous considering I have gotten crank called to death by people like Troy Sexton.


If his mother and grandmother know him as "Cosmos," then surely the same would be case for "Aunt" Meredith, no? smile.gif
amazed!
Good work Adam. cheers.gif

I'm not familiar with the names, but fraud permeates the Official Story, and this is more fraud upon fraud.
A. Syed
Look at Jon Gold's pathetic attempt at a rebuttal:

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Sooooo... his wife never heard of "Cosmos." I wonder if the wife knows him by his real name, Andrew Bernstein (more stupendous "work" from Adam Syed).


And also this:

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At this point, I don't even know why people are acknowledging Syed. I didn't even think to mention his antics in my book because he's so unimportant. To me, he's the equivalent of a stalker.

"While Rothenberg, in the phone call, says that her husband traveled a lot, and therefore she didn't know everyone he was friends with, the key word here is family friend. This would imply that not just Mickey, but also his wife Meredith, and their two daughters, would know who "Cosmos" is. But she has never heard of him."

Couldn't Mickey have been a "family friend" of COSMOS' family? Isn't that what Cosmos said? That "Cosmos is a survivor of Mark Rothenberg, a family friend who was murdered on September 11, 2001."

Sure sounds like COSMOS' family to me.


This, of course, is ignoring the fact that Cosmos has for years claimed, at greatest, that Mickey was an "uncle."

Then, later, he "clarified" that while not a blood relation, Mickey was so dear to Cosmos that he was "like" an uncle and Cosmos always referred to the elder as "Uncle Mickey."

Next, consider that Cosmos is roughly half the age of Mr. Rothenberg. Indeed, Cosmos defender Scott N. said the following on 9/6/10:

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And for the record, Cosmos has NEVER stated, even once (to my knowledge), that he was a "family member" of the 911 victims. He stated from the beginning that he lost a "dear family friend" whom he referred to, growing up, affectionately, as "Uncle Mickey".


An affectionate relationship since childhood and Meredith has not heard of him?

And once again, Mr. Gold, let's look at your own words in defense of Cosmos:

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As Cosmos has repeatedly said, it is a name he has gone by for 25 years, and his mother, and grandmother call him that.


So, Mr. Gold, your own words from 2010 work against your latest straw-grasp from today:

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Sooooo... his wife never heard of "Cosmos." I wonder if the wife knows him by his real name, Andrew Bernstein (more stupendous "work" from Adam Syed).


No Jon, based on the persona Cosmos has himself created, buttressed by the defense that comes to him via people like yourself, Scott N. and John Bursill, it appears that if Meredith Rothenberg had ever heard of this character, she would know of him as "Cosmos." After all he was (1) such a dear friend of her husband and (2) Cosmos' mother and grandmother, according to Cosmos (via Jon Gold), called him by that name.

So in other words, if his story and persona have any veracity at all, Meredith would have heard of him.
Atomicbomb
I will be very interested to see Meridiths reply to your e-mail with the pictures of "Cosmos". If she doesn't know him I would say that you have uncovered a genuine operative Adam.

Let us know.
A. Syed
QUOTE (Atomicbomb @ May 16 2012, 09:21 PM) *
I will be very interested to see Meridiths reply to your e-mail with the pictures of "Cosmos". If she doesn't know him I would say that you have uncovered a genuine operative Adam.

Let us know.


Well, it's been nearly 2 days, no response from Meredith. I have a feeling I might not get one. I do think that the phone call to her, combined with what Cosmos and defenders have said about him in the past, does conclusively prove the fraud. I'm glad I did this, but on reflection there were ways I could have done it better. As you might be able to tell from my somewhat nervous-sounding voice, the adrenaline was pumping a bit as I anticipated the outcome of the call. Sometimes when you're nervous or "excited," you forget to dot all i's and cross all t's. I'm sure, for example, that Aldo Marquis would have done it much better, especially given his more extensive experience doing these sorts of calls. Unlike people ranging from him to the unsavory Jeff Hill, I have pretty much zero experience at this! And honestly, as I was dialing the number, I might as well have been on deck for a nerve-wracking audition at the Chicago Symphony!

I also guess I didn't want to make an immediate phone enemy by going back on my "this will only take 30 seconds" claim, which, of course, was a sort of hook to get her to be amenable to me and answer my questions, without interrogating me too much, since she almost certainly doesn't share my views on 9/11. But perhaps I could have asked her if she was at her computer, so I could shoot her a quick email with the images of Cosmos, so she could say right then and there whether she recognized the face.

As far as Jon Gold's point about who was being referred to by the phrase "family friend:" Yes, the structure of the bio sentence does technically lean towards the possibility that everyone in Cosmos' family knew Mickey, but that no one else in Mickey's family knew Cosmos. However, as a person who's been around 33.5 years, my general impression is that usually, the term "family friend/s" is used in the context whereby one family is friends with another family.

Anyway, the target audience for all of this is relatively small; I realize that I'm preaching to the converted here, and over at teh faction, all they can really do is respond with photos showing a cream pie in my face, proving they have no real counterarguments. And over there, there is a base of, what, 5 or 6 people? They're more than insignificant at this point.

This phone call and thread is my final salute to that ilk.
rob balsamo
QUOTE (A. Syed @ May 17 2012, 07:27 PM) *
And over there, there is a base of, what, 5 or 6 people? They're more than insignificant at this point.


Exactly....
Atomicbomb
Well I personally think "Cosmos" was lying all along about being a "family friend" of Mickey. When I met "Cosmos" in person at a conference in Santa Cruz CA he did not make a good impression on me like most truthers do. He seemed unfriendly and quite frankly he did not seem trustworthy to me. He quickly set about driving a wedge between myself and the other WACLA members who went to Santa Cruz. He later went on to do as much as he could to foster problems within WACLA at an event in San Diego where incidentally he attacked DRG for being a "globalist". Cosmos is a poison pill at a minimum and a paid operative at worst. It is a good thing that most real truthers recognize that "the faction" is a garbage pit. That is why they have no legitimate truther members and no real conversations going on over there. They just have a handful of poison pills conducting a circle jerk.
Aldo Marquis CIT
Well, we know he lied about saying he was a family member...

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I have never referred to myself as a “9/11 family member”. During 2007 and 2008, I hosted a radio show called Truth Revolution Radio. I only mentioned Mickey a few times during the run of the show, but each time I did I noted the exact nature of my relationship to him. There are dozens of documented examples showing that I’ve frequently and publicly clarified my connection to Mark Rothenberg.

Source: 911truthnews.com/a-response-to-kevin-barretts-attacks/


Busted:

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"I'm a family member. My uncle died on 9-11, what do you mean I'm spitting on his memory? I resent that. I really resent that."

Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJ8RCoEHv8&feature=player_embedded (@8:00)


Adam, I think you have to follow up on this. I suggest you call her and explain, in depth, the purpose of your original call. Explain to her that people are concerned that he is using her husband's name to further his own credibility or standing within the truth movement. Simply describe him and his former(?) SF location. I am sure she doesn't check her e-mail everyday. Most elderly people don't.

If "Cosmos" allegedly goes by that name with his mother and grandmother(and the rest of the world)
it's not a stretch to believe that Mickey Rothenberg would have called him by that name as well.

What's telling is "Cosmos" hasn't offered an explanation or any additional details, he's let Jon Gold be his mouthpiece along with others who try and distract with ridicule.

The fact is he has clearly used Rothenberg and lied about being a family member/nephew. This makes it even more unbelievable that only cosmos' family knows Rothenberg while his wife doesn't know cosmos or his family - and Jon Gold being the one to explain on behalf of "Cosmos" makes it even more suspicious.

All his activity and socks on GNN, his beard, hat, and sunglasses shtick, his blatant attacks on us and others, his lame little nothing presentation in Australia and collusion with the Australian disinfo team of Bursill and Legge in order to help build his 9/11 truth street cred, his disappearing to New Zealand or Narnia or wherever as more and more people question him, and of course this Rothenberg saga just screams operative to me.

I also know for a fact there is a recorded phone call that exists where he lies and says he's never said we(CIT) were "disinformation" when his online posts say otherwise.

Operative or not, we know he is a goddamned liar.
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
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i'm just going to add that if i were a 9/11 truther, and had a family member on flight 93, i would have contacted the person who spent years going to shanksville and interviewing eyewitnesses and at least had a conversation with that person. especially if its someone who has been easily accessible over the years. i dont care if i believe what they were saying or not, i still would have tried to initiate some sort of dialogue.

thats why i called this dude a phony a long time ago and he never said anything about it.
A. Syed
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I also know for a fact there is a recorded phone call that exists where he lies and says he's never said we(CIT) were "disinformation" when his online posts say otherwise.


Are you sure Cosmos is on a recorded phone call saying this that's in the public domain? I know Michael Wolsey was guilty of this exact lie in a public interview with Hoffman. Actually, with Wolsey it's the other way around: his online post at truthaction denies he's ever called you guys disinformation, when his interview with Hoffman proves otherwise. Documented here.

What god damn liars and frauds. angry.gif
A. Syed
Cosmos has been bumping up old threads in order to bury the "Shit conspiracy theorists say" thread, in which his friend SnowCrash actually posted a link to this thread which exposes him, LOL
Atomicbomb
QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ May 17 2012, 11:36 PM) *
Well, we know he lied about saying he was a family member...



Busted:



Adam, I think you have to follow up on this. I suggest you call her and explain, in depth, the purpose of your original call. Explain to her that people are concerned that he is using her husband's name to further his own credibility or standing within the truth movement. Simply describe him and his former(?) SF location. I am sure she doesn't check her e-mail everyday. Most elderly people don't.

If "Cosmos" allegedly goes by that name with his mother and grandmother(and the rest of the world)
it's not a stretch to believe that Mickey Rothenberg would have called him by that name as well.

What's telling is "Cosmos" hasn't offered an explanation or any additional details, he's let Jon Gold be his mouthpiece along with others who try and distract with ridicule.

The fact is he has clearly used Rothenberg and lied about being a family member/nephew. This makes it even more unbelievable that only cosmos' family knows Rothenberg while his wife doesn't know cosmos or his family - and Jon Gold being the one to explain on behalf of "Cosmos" makes it even more suspicious.

All his activity and socks on GNN, his beard, hat, and sunglasses shtick, his blatant attacks on us and others, his lame little nothing presentation in Australia and collusion with the Australian disinfo team of Bursill and Legge in order to help build his 9/11 truth street cred, his disappearing to New Zealand or Narnia or wherever as more and more people question him, and of course this Rothenberg saga just screams operative to me.

I also know for a fact there is a recorded phone call that exists where he lies and says he's never said we(CIT) were "disinformation" when his online posts say otherwise.

Operative or not, we know he is a goddamned liar.

Aldo I have to say man that I laughed long and hard at the Narnia comment!

On a serious note though you are right he is a liar and has been exposed as such. One cannot be a "truther" and a liar both. It is an either or proposition. As for Jon Gold defending "Cosmos" well that is a little bit like Larry defending Moe or Curly against charges of idiocy isn't it?

Adam Ruff
Aldo Marquis CIT
@A. Syed

No that recording is not publicly available but I am sure it might some day. And yes I've noticed him burying the thread and his little disinfobots are sitting nice and quiet.

@A. Ruff

Glad I could inject a little humor. It's clear he lied and everyone needs to question why.
A. Syed
Aldo,

I've just been re-reading some old threads at 911blogger from 2009, 2010... and I'm reminded of just what a disgusting, vile, hypocritical, fraudulent POS that "Cosmos" character is, and how important it is that he be exposed once and for all. If you know where that recording is or/and who has it, it should be made public, imho.
A. Syed
By the way, I discussed this issue with Kevin Barrett on his Truth Jihad show last week. I'm at the top of the second hour, so just go to the halfway point.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archiv...-32k-051612.mp3
A. Syed
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"I'm a family member. My uncle died on 9-11, what do you mean I'm spitting on his memory? I resent that. I really resent that."

Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJ8RCoEHv8&feature=player_embedded (@8:00)


Looks like Cosmos convinced whoever uploaded that video to delete it. What a fraud.
onesliceshort
Have a read through this thread at the forum YT/Cosmos founded:

http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50038#50038

Gage and AE911Truth are getting totally trashed there by the same weasels who privately and publically harangued those who endorsed the NOC testimony.

It's LIHOP troll city. And when it gets to the stage where Brian Good aka "truebeleaguer" looks like a radical "truther" among that lot...

Maybe this is why "Cosmos" has allegedly packed up and gone to Narnia.
A. Syed
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 29 2012, 02:26 PM) *
Have a read through this thread at the forum YT/Cosmos founded:

http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50038#50038

Gage and AE911Truth are getting totally trashed there by the same weasels who privately and publically harangued those who endorsed the NOC testimony.

It's LIHOP troll city. And when it gets to the stage where Brian Good aka "truebeleaguer" looks like a radical "truther" among that lot...

Maybe this is why "Cosmos" has allegedly packed up and gone to Narnia.


With regard to all that self-righteous hot air that the credibility police have farted around regarding the Gage/Ryan decision to speak at the Nation of Islam:

I consider spreading the ripple effect of truth to be the purveying factory that trumps all. That dude at 911blogger, Nor Cal Truth (Brian Romanoff, former leader of the AE911Truth "verification team" before he resigned in protest over the NOI deal), remarked that Richard would speak at a KKK rally if the board of directors wouldn't prevent him from doing it.

Well, speaking of hate venues that spread racist propaganda, I suggest we look no further than Fox News. Still today, but especially during the first 3-4 years after 9/11, when the spell of the blind nationalism (sorry, "patriotism") was still strong, that channel was really Joseph Goebbels-like in its spreading of racist propaganda against Muslims. That channel helped create the deap-seated Islamophobia that still exists in the collective psyche today, whereby "terrorist" is a synonym for "Muslim." It welcomed with open arms Ann Coulter who said we should invade all those Muslim nations, kill off their leaders and forcibly convert the people to Christianity. And of course, Fox News supports the official stories of major historical events. Anyway, I think I've made my point.

But, I do not recall one single truther expressing dismay that the MSM breakthrough we had on the Geraldo show, where 9/11 truth was given a fair hearing featuring Bob McIlvaine and Tony Szamboti, occurred on the racist, Islamophobic, hyper-right-wing Fox News Channel.

To the contrary, the celebration was unanimous because it was on Fox News. Why? Because our message was seen, in just a 7 minutes, by orders of magnitude more people than Richard Gage will reach on a given tour. Plus, it's no secret that these days, most of Richard's live audiences are the choir. (If I were Richard, that would make me feel uncomfortable.) For example, if Richard speaks in 20 cities, and there are 200 people at each event, that's 4,000 people he's reached in several weeks' worth of touring. By contrast, millions of people were instantly reached in the few minutes on Fox News' Geraldo at Large. And without a doubt, many of those viewers were not part of the choir.

Incidentally, after being enamored with incompetence-theory-promoting (or perhaps LIHOP-lite?) Fahrenheit 9/11 in 2004, it was a brief hit piece on Geraldo then, around December 2004, where Geraldo had on early activist Jimmy Walter for a few minutes, and Geraldo's intent then was merely to dismiss the inside job theory as absurd out of hand. It was that early hit piece against Walter that cracked open the door of curiosity for me. I spent the next 6 months or so on the fence as I began to research, but by June of 2005 there was no turning back.

SO: if the December 2004 incident on Geraldo got me to where I am today, imagine how many new activists were born from seeing the more recent, and favorable, coverage on Geraldo, first with Bob. M. and Tony Z., and a few days later further discussed on Napolitano's Freedom Watch?

Because we knew it reached millions, most of us were like: "Holy shit, pinch me, this did not just happen on Fox News."

A news channel that has proven itself to be a purveyor of racism, Islamophobia, the PATRIOT ACT, the GWoT, not to mention many other things I won't go into in the name of space.

This is why I have to roll my eyes at the hypocrisy of the credibility police crying foul over "guilt by association" re the Nation of Islam.
onesliceshort
Excellent point Adam.

And the cherry on top is that these bozos make equally racist, unfounded claims as per Fox News

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21909

I've asked people at Craig McKee's blog to forward the link to that thread to Gage and DRG. I would forward it to Chandler and Cole. And anybody else who has had connections with these people.

I'd actually like for some 9/11 victims families drop in and embarrass them. Mr McIlvaine for one. Let him see who has ties to the WTC7 ad he participated in.
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