Some of you may know that there are conflicting accounts regarding the departure gate of AA 11. Some sources say it was Gate 26, some say Gate 32.

I gathered the evidence here (my first 9/11 piece):

http://de.geocities.com/woody_box2000/TwinFlight.html

The 9/11 Commission Report was published half a year later and presented - in my eyes - confirmation for the oddities at Logan Airport. F.I. in the footnotes we learn that some of the passengers of Flight 11 boarded the plane after the push-back! Can any aviation expert tell me how this is possible?




But there's more, even better:



I was wondering why two checkpoints provide access to one gate. I always thought one checkpoint provides access to multiple gates.

Loose Change member JackD has provided me with a nice map of the AA Terminal at Logan:

http://i.elias-savion.com/11/59/en-us/docu...boston_b_aa.pdf

Obviously, there is only one security checkpoint for Gate 32 (the gate favoured by the 9/11 Commission). But - and this is interesting - Gate 26 has to be entered through a different checkpoint.

Is that what the 9/11 Commission means? One checkpoint for each gate? But why don't they mention gate 26, and which of the planes was Flight 11, anyway?

Do multiple checkpoints for one gate make sense at all?

Anyone here familiar with Logan Airport?

I have heard numerous rumors on this and I won't repeat them here. Does anyone have the facts on this?? Two gates? Two flights?

The only thing I can think of is that Flt. 11 was to originally depart out of one gate, but then, for whatever reason, there was a gate change. Happens all the time. Maybe the original gate was occupied, or there was a problem with a plane, and they chose to use another plane out of a different gate.

I am trying to remember the layout of Logan. I was based there from 1993-94, so much has changed. However, I know American has added gates. There are two checkpoints to enter through to the secure areas. There used to be just one, but when they reconfigured the airport, they opened up another checkpoint.

At that time of the day, there would have been one checkpoint open, but the other checkpoint would have opened up to keep things and passengers going through smoothly.

I think the commission simply means that a passenger could enter through either checkpoint to access the gate in question.

Woody, and V2Rotator --

Logan Airport's terminal B has/had more parts than are shown in that restaurant map -- which in fact only shows the "top" part of Terminal B.

B Terminal at Massport's Logan Airport has parking lot in the middle. Cars, buses and taxis access via a loop road. Thus you have a "B1" and a "B2" boarding area that do not meet. if you fly into B1, say, on a Colgan Air flight from Maine (handled by US Airways), you have to exit secuirty, dash across a parking lot, and then ENTER B2 (american airlines, mostly)
http://www.massport.com/logan/insid_termi_b.html


if you mapquest.com with aerial view of Logan Airport, you see the Terminal B area at bottom part of map. You can easily see how you have to go from one separate building to another. Not impossible, but would cost time and effort, and if the connecting flight were late... .. and you would become flustered and sweaty with the effort.

The foot -path of alleged hijackers (take with grain of salt)
-- drive to Portland Maine on 9/10
-- go to WalMart. just before the store closes, ask where you can buy boxcutters.
(get captured on cameras in three places, check into motel)
-- 9/11 6am: almost miss your flight to Boston. checkin at Colgan air, get boarding pass for AA11 at same time.
-- arrive at Logan, cross parking lot, re-enter security. be late. almost miss your flight aa11. your checked in bags do NOT get onto AA11 for some reason.

according to Washington Post:

"Atta stated that he was assured he would have 'one-step check-in,' " according to the report. "The agent told [Atta and Alomari] that they had better get going if they were to make their flight. He said that Atta looked as if he were about to say something in anger but turned to leave."

Atta and Alomari barely made their flight from Portland to Boston, which, according to the Massachusetts Port Authority, was the only flight close enough to allow them to arrive in time to board American Flight 11 at Logan.

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States released its final report in July but turned over more detailed and classified information to the National Archives, which released the declassified material last week. The new information chronicles more of the hijackers' elaborate planning for the attacks as well as some of their missteps.

Upon arrival at Logan, Atta and Alomari had to go through security a second time, which is usually unnecessary for connecting flights at most U.S. airports. Because of the way the Boston airport is configured, the hijackers arrived at Gate 9 in Terminal B but needed to cross a parking lot and were observed asking for directions to the gate where they boarded American Flight 11, according to the report.
"No one knows what they knew" in planning the attacks, said Al Felzenberg, a former spokesman for the Sept. 11 commission. "The best we could do is retrace their steps. They did some careful planning and they also made some mistakes."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Feb12.html


bests

more information about Terminal B in Logan

North and South (my memory is they are called B1 and B2)

http://www.waymarking.com/wm/details.aspx?...55-d87bc40aef24

Terminal B

North side

* American Airlines (Aruba [seasonal], Chicago-O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, Fort Lauderdale, London-Heathrow, Los Angeles, Manchester (UK) [seasonal], Miami, New Orleans [seasonal], Orlando, Paris-Charles de Gaulle [seasonal], Providenciales [seasonal], San Diego, San Francisco, San Juan, Santo Domingo, Shannon [ends October 2006], St. Louis, St. Thomas (seasonal), West Palm Beach)
o American Eagle (Baltimore/Washington, Bangor, Columbus, Halifax, Newark, New York-JFK, New York-LaGuardia, Raleigh/Durham, St. Louis, Toronto, Washington-Reagan)

South side

* Alaska Airlines (Seattle/Tacoma)
* Spirit Airlines (Detroit, Myrtle Beach)
* US Airways (Aruba, Bermuda, Cancún, Charlotte, Montego Bay, Nassau, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Punta Cana, San Juan)
o US Airways operated by America West Airlines (Las Vegas, Phoenix)
o US Airways Shuttle operated by US Airways (New York-LaGuardia, Washington-Reagan)
o US Airways Express operated by Air Wisconsin (Buffalo, Pittsburgh)
o US Airways Express operated by Chautauqua Airlines (Buffalo, Charleston (SC), Indianapolis, Myrtle Beach, Richmond, Rochester (NY), Savannah)
o US Airways Express operated by Colgan Air (Albany, Augusta (ME), Bar Harbor, Hyannis, Islip, Nantucket, Presque Isle, Rockland, Syracuse, White Plains)
o US Airways Express operated by Piedmont Airlines (Harrisburg, Syracuse)
o US Airways Express operated by PSA Airlines (Charlotte)

mapquest for Logan Airport -- switch to aerial view to see terminal B

Wow, fascinating stuff!

The discrepancies between the flight attendant's accounts does make it appear that the recordings were fake.

My theory has always been that if drone aircraft were used at WTC, and passengers were somehow switched, those passengers and crew could be somewhere in the Federal Witness Protection Program, living lives with new identities.

If there were 2 aircraft at Logan that day and only 1 departed, then I guess the crew might have deplaned at Stewart?

hard to conclude much about where passengers went.
the fact that AA11 seems to have departed from 32, but a similarly tagged AA11 left from 26, argues that something was VERY wrong with AA11 from the start.

The fact that the commission alleges that some passengers boarded AFTER pushback from gate is troubling.

the passengers are NOT all in the witness protectino program. many are in fact simply missing -- presumed dead.
any of them showing up ALIVE would destroy the myth, cant have that happen!

remains of some AA11 attendant were found at Ground Zero.

Jack

That's my point. If the pax are missing and presumed dead, it is entirely possible that they are still living under new identities. THAT is how the witness protection program works. Instead of passengers, they are federal witnesses.

That would be especially convenient if the pax are serious players in the Military Industrial Complex.

Just a thought.

many passengers on AA11 worked for for industries like TJMAXX.

that is not a defense or intel service

it is a budget clothier.

so they were really real people who are really dead now. or at least missing.

I suspect that many of these people were Sayanims for the Mossad, which makes their employ irrelevent. I suspect that these people were involved, and are now living under new identities, either here, or in Israel. Others may have been whistleblowers or blackmail victims.

9/11 was the perfect cover to have some of these people "disappeared". This does not mean that they had to be onboard the aircraft. Some may have been intercepted at the terminal, and quietly taken away. Remember, there was no CCTV footage, and so anything could have happened.

There is no less supporting evidence for this scenario than there is for the spurious claim of Arab hijackers.

In my opinion, family members who claim to be recipients of phone calls, such as the Bingham's, should be treated with caution. Calls such as Todd Beamer's to the operator were obviously staged, and others, such as "Mom, this is Mark Bingham" probably never happened. Have you ever seen this interview with his mother..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGlmraPnbV8

In this interview, she appears to be very nervous and awkward. Supporters of the official story want us to believe that she is suffering from extreme emotional stress due to having lost her son. However, take a look at this interview, and ask yourself, is this really due to her emotional state? Or is she suffering stress because she is lying about receiving a call from her son?

As time goes on, I now think that either none of those passengers boarded, or they boarded and were deplaned elsewhere, such as Cleveland, whose terminal was evacuated for a "bomb threat" that morning.

I say that because it seems very likely that the aircraft that actually struck the towers were drone aircraft using some sort of laser targeting.

The passenger lists were generated out of thin air, or the pax boarded and were deplaned.

This is really interesting. Is there any proof of this?

@Beached
very plausible analysis again! Makes a lot of sense.


What we need is the ATC-tapes where all the radio conversations have been recorded, as I suggested
here

The tape of the radio conversation with 'ground' or 'apron' might answer the question, which flight requested 'start up' and 'push back' on which gate.

It appears these tapes have been confiscated by the FBI.

Let's get them! You've (still) got the Freedom of Information Act in America!

A new entry on my blog since months:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2010/09/pa...mbarked-on.html

Apparently the passengers of Flight 11 embarked on the plane after the plane had pushed back already. This is called a paradox. But the 9/11 Commission doesn't care.

Thanks for that Woody!

As I recall there was some controversy over the gate number from early on. I think the Boston Globe even covered it.

RE: chapter 6 of the Fetzer book, The 9/11 Conspiracy, The Scamming of America. The authors of that chapter are Morgan Reynolds and Rick Rjter. They state that AA flight #11 was not scheduled on 9/11.(page144) A footnote to that information gives a closed web address. Can anyone provide information on this topic? Thank You.

0011 didn't fly on Tuesdays but 9-11 was a Tuesday...[BTS] records

This is an important point.
The 1962 CIA Operation Northwoods suggestion is also for a
NON-SCHEDULED flight. This is necessary to keep any random
passengers from trying to board and to have total control of the passenger list.
Then Northwoods advises ....."all passengers are boarded under carefully prepared aliases".
So we've got a drone aircraft at Gate 26 and we are boarding passengers at Gate 32.
Both aircraft are AA11.
Everything between these gates and the North Tower are attempts at obfuscation.
Now we need to carefully examine the passenger list.
Please tell me how to find information on that topic.
I'm having trouble navigating around in this forum as I am a NEWBIE here.
Thank You, Dan

Try search...upper right hand next to help...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...Bpassenger+list

Did the Commission publish the passenger lists?
That's what i'm looking for.
Couldn't find it with SEARCH. I knew enough to check that first.

I'm just throwing out ideas for conjecture here.
I'm trying to be very objective as we are dealing with impossibily confused information.
We can posit a second AA11 at the gate in Boston, but I don't see it as the drone.
How are you going to get that off the ground without drawing attention at Logan?
That plane has to come from Hemstead or elsewhere and that is the plane that hits the North Tower.
And it doesn't even have AA markings! They don't have to bother with that.
Comments?

From my perspective this was a military exercise designed to confuse everyone…

It was simple…yet complex…

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20990

Civilian commercial flights were imaginary…

Very Interesting
I like your comments and conclusions.
I wish you would expand your comments a little more.
For Example...
How do they cover for AA11 passengers, said to be dead,
but they are not dead, because they never were on the plane?

I wouldn’t think it would be difficult to bury or hide imaginary people.

Look at real flights like Pan Am Flight 103 or US Airways Flight 1549 where family members were on TV going berserk with worry about their kin folk.

Has anyone ever gone around to the families on flight 0011 and talked to them. Seen any boarding passed, email notifications or bill statement on charge cards? How about a copy of the insurance check and notice to SSA?

This is a murder investigation…so where is the investigation?

Probably about 4 or 5 years ago, maybe here at PFT but maybe elsewhere, I read some of the work about an individual who had been investigating the various surviving family members.

He realized that they could be divided into 2 general classes--those who lost family members at WTC, and those who lost family members as passengers on the various flights.

As shown by the Press For Truth video, the former were happy to talk, really seeking answers, and wanted to cooperate.

The latter were reluctant to talk, would often not return calls or answer messages, and generally uncooperative.

I think something can be learned from that.

The AA11 Flight Manifest "obtained by the Boston Globe" is available online at www.911myths.com. and other places.
Much of the discussion is centered (misdirected) on the question of the names of the terrorists being on the lists or not.

We have listed, John Ogonowski, 52, Dracut, MA ,CAPTAIN
We have listed Thomas McGuinness, 42, Porthsmouth NH, First Officer
Are there any living AA pilots who knew these pilots?
That is, are they real or imaginary?
And are they Dead or Alive after 9/11?
Also notable in Row 8 of First Class are TV Producer David Angell and his wife.
Where is he now?
I'm keen to know!
Dan

Where is the DNA...where are the bodies...

ELREB-
Here is my question.........................
OK- You contend that the commercial flights are IMAGINERY-never took place. I'm OK with that concept.
BUT, they have to tell us that AA11 Captain Ogonowski is now deceased.
What do you think happened to him?
1) He was eliminated
2) He's living a quiet life in Maui and cashes a very welcome monthly check from a Black Ops Company?
Some conjecture here please!
And this TV producer David Angell.... He's got a long BIO. He was a real person. If he never got on AA11, what the (*$#&) happened to him?
Thanks,
Dan

You can roll the bones anyway you want…witness protection…Gitmo… Catatonia…it is all speculation.

The burden of proof lies on the government to show me the bodies of the alleged dead passengers and skyjackers along with the proper documentation proving they are who they say they are.

Also, serial numbered parts and documentation proving that that exact plane crashed…

Airplanes and people do not vaporize…show me the carfax.

I`m still working on the matter. Things look like this (I tell you without providing evidence):

The plane at Gate 32 was in fact N334AA, the "official" Flight 11. Its flight path (even the taxi path at the airport) is well documented until about 8:40. I.e. from 7:45 to 8:40 the plane's position is correctly reflected by the official story. After 8:40, however, things become different. N334AA seems to have passed east of NYC, crossing Long Island, and turning west over JFK airport, before finally vanishing from the radar scopes. (NORAD tapes)

There is no evidence, however, that any regular passengers (besides of some "special" ones) embarked on this plane. Probably Waleed and Wail Al-Shehri (allegedly being "muscle hijackers", but in fact professional Saudi pilots) were sitting in the cockpit and simulated a hijacking, fulfilling their part in the ongoing military exercises.

The majority of the passengers certainly embarked on the plane at Gate 26. It is not clear, however, whether this plane pushed back from the gate at all. I presume that the passengers were transferred to another plane via bus.

Sorry if I provide no sources etc., but this is the actual state of my research. You'll hear more from me on this subject.

I am interested to hear more. A few questions to add to the mix................

How does a NON-SCHEDULED Flight (It's Tuesday- no AA11)) get SCHEDULED?
How does a passenger buy a ticket on a flight that is not scheduled?


Has there ever been anyone on the P4T Forum who knew Capt. Ogonowski?
He was/is a real person, I presume. Has there been no published investigation into his background?

Remember ELREB would have this second plane at Gate 26 as IMAGINARY. Any comment on that possibility?
I do like this idea that the two Saudis fly an empty AA11 then land at unknown base having completed their part of the scenario.
Then the drone goes up.

I would suggest you look this stuff up yourself:

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatis...paturesData.xml

Airport: Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH - Logan International (BOS)
Airline: American Airlines (AA)
Month(s): September
Day(s): 4
Year(s): 2001
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Actual Departure Time
AA 09/04/2001 0011 UNKNOW LAX 00:00

Airport: Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH - Logan International (BOS)
Airline: American Airlines (AA)
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Actual Departure Time
AA 09/11/2001 0011 UNKNOW LAX 00:00

Woody is talking about a Gate Reader but “We” have not seen the report…

The Commission sent a request to American Airlines on February 3, 2004… In 2009, this response was released to the public.

American previously has provided the Commission with documents that indicate the approximate times that passengers boarded AA Flights 11 and the approximate check-in times at the main ticket counters at the respective airports. These documents are Kean Commission Bates number 004483-004518 (Flight 11) and are from American's Electronic Gate Reader ("EGR") records.

The EGR records do not provide the exact time of individual passenger check-in, the check-in location (ticket counter vs. departure gate), or the identification of the check-in agent.

The EGR system for a particular flight is manually initiated by the gate agent usually several hours prior to boarding. The initation of the EGR system is done at the discretion of the gate agent.


EDIT:

By David Abel, Globe Staff February 24, 2005

Today, on what would have been her husband's 54th birthday, Peggy Ogonowski will leave flowers at his empty grave in Dracut. John Ogonowski, the pilot and captain of American Airlines Flight 11, is one of more than 1,100 victims of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, whose remains have never been identified.

Thanks Woody!

Thank you Woody (I tell you without providing evidence) Sorry if I provide no sources etc.

Where did you get that AA11 never was scheduled on Tuesdays? I'm pretty certain it was, a look at the BTS would help, but its website is just getting overhauled at this moment.

Ogonowski was a real person, of course. He was NOT SCHEDULED to fly on 9/11, and he didn't want to either because he had two important dates on this day. But one day before, he called up the pilot who was scheduled für Flight 11 - his name is Walter Sorenson - and demanded from him to give him the flight, which was his right as the senior pilot.

The best explanation I have for this behavior is that he got a sudden call from the military to take part in Vigilant Guardian (or another exercise). Ogonowski was ex-navy.

For more information, go here:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/121085/1/

The second plane at Gate 26 is not imaginary at all. I'm in personal contact with someone who witnessed passengers boarding Flight 11 at Gate 26. He took a flight at an adjacent gate, at the same time. He was completey surprised when I told him that the official story has Flight 11 taking off from Gate 32!

I'm still providing no sources - this is for elreb - because this is meant to be preliminary info for people who trust me and know that I'm usually not talking nonsense. I'm working on the matter and promise you that the gate question is a potential giant smoking gun.

Hi Woody,
this is my first post here. Please allow me to say that I am a great supporter of your theories and I can't wait to read your next post in your blog. I consider you one of the most interesting researchers on 9/11 and I think your work was really valuable so far.

I have a question about Flight 198 which was, as you know, the flight coming from SFO who (allegedly) became later the infamous Flight 11.
Who was the pilot of that flight? Is there any information/evidence about?

Also, according to some accounts I found on the Internet, Flight 198 landed on gate 21 on 9/11. Last time I made a query on the BTS system, however, I could not find a wheels-on time. The scheduled arrival time was 6:24. On 9/10 Flight 198 landed on 6:03, but I found no information about the actual landing time on 9/11.

If you have any information about both questions I would really appreciate.

Regards
Sergio

Sorry if I missed it Woody, but is Sorensen still alive?

Having read that story about swapping flights, it almost sounds like the whole thing is contrived, though certainly it's plausible.

The plot thickens....

Thanks for all your effort.

My “BTS” is still working…post #33 shows no flight on 09/04/2001…a Tuesday…

A gate reader means nothing without a connection to the airframe in question

Where is the data to “Actual Departure Time”?

Sorry but until I see better information…I agree with “Amazed” on the contrived possibility…

Hi elreb,
actually Flight 11 appears as a regular flight between BOS and LAX also on Tuesdays. I pasted below some data from BTS related to all Tuesdays since July 3rd to September 4, 2001.
The BTS system returns "UNKNOW" along with the usual 00:00 data for September 4 and July 10, 2001. Also, there are no data at all available for August 7, 2001 (I created the row because the system does not return anything at all for that date). In all other instances AA-11 appears to have flown on all Tuesdays before 9/11. I don't think we can conclude that AA-11 was not scheduled on Tuesdays.

The table is pretty messed up, I wasn't able to paste the HTML code, sorry for this.


Detailed Statistics Departures
Airport: Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH - Logan International (BOS)
Airline: American Airlines (AA)

Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time Actual Departure Time Scheduled Elapsed Time (Minutes) Actual Elapsed Time (Minutes) Departure Delay (Minutes) Wheels-off Time Taxi-out Time (Minutes) Delay Carrier (Minutes) Delay Weather (Minutes) Delay National Aviation System (Minutes) Delay Security (Minutes) Delay Late Aircraft Arrival (Minutes)
AA 07/03/2001 11 N306AA LAX 07:45 07:52 366 350 7 08:04 12 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 07/10/2001 11 UNKNOW LAX 07:45 00:00 366 0 0 00:00 0 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 07/17/2001 11 N301AA LAX 07:45 07:59 366 369 14 08:20 21 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 07/24/2001 11 N303AA LAX 07:45 07:49 366 367 4 08:11 22 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 07/31/2001 11 N305AA LAX 07:45 08:09 366 351 24 08:25 16 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 08/07/2001 11 N/A LAX N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 08/14/2001 11 N305AA LAX 07:45 07:41 366 378 -4 07:57 16 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 08/21/2001 11 N305AA LAX 07:45 07:46 366 361 1 08:09 23 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 08/28/2001 11 N321AA LAX 07:45 07:44 366 356 -1 07:56 12 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
AA 09/04/2001 11 UNKNOW LAX 07:45 00:00 366 0 0 00:00 0 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

SOURCE: Bureau of Transportation Statistics

I got the idea that AA11 was not scheduled on Tuesday from the 2007 James Fetzer book, The 9/11 Conspiracy, The Scamming of America.
Chapter 6, titled, Some Holes in the Plane Stories, is written by Morgan Reynolds and Rick Rajter.
They state, "both American Flights 11 and 77 were not scheduled that day" and they give a footnote at the end of the chapter
It is http://oldsydimc.cat.org.au/front.php3?article_id=36354.
This link is broken.

I agree with you now that it is pretty certain that the flight was scheduled. The BTS shows it thru the summer months on Tuesdays at 7:45AM. Possibly they have drawn an incorrect conclusion due to the lack of information for 9/04 and 9/11 on BTS?

The personal information on Captain Ogonowski is very helpful.

NORTHWOODS
I cannot understand the logic in the following information in the 13 March 1962 Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense -Subject: Justification for the Military Intervention in Cuba (TS) I would encourage any comment on this point.

Page 8a. "At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers,all boarded under CAREFULLY PREPARED ALIASES. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone".

So we are to have corporeal passengers here. They are our people. They are to be given a ride to Elgin AFB where they will leave the plane and return to their normal routines. They are not harmed and they are alive. Who then has been lost in this terrible tradgedy? A passenger list has to be presented to the press. It is a list of assumed names, people who never existed, totally fabricated persona? Why would they expect this ploy to pass the most cursory scrutiny?

Good job with the new 9/11 Intercepted DVD!!

Great self-research…wonder if you could look up AA0077 too?

When we looked up the sale of flight 0011 [22332] we found all planes accounted for except this one…

So my question is/was…if a plane actually took off on 9-11…where is the record?

I also note that N334AA was never a normal flight 0011…

If I remember correctly, BTS record do not show this plane landing on 9-10…

Thanks for your kind words, Sergio, very encouraging.

I haven't specific information on Flight 198, apart from the fact, that it indeed arrived at Gate 32 and was the same plane as FLight 11 (N334AA). I have statements of people working at the airport (packers etc.) clearly confirming this. Please understand if I don't release the source at this moment.

It arrived at 6:03 on 9/11. The reason it is listed under 9/10 is because it departed on that day. Obviously if a flight departs from the West coast in the evening and arrives at the East coast the next day, the arrival day is noted in the BTS database on the same day as the departure day (i.e. the day before). This is also the reason that you don't find arrival data for Flight 198 on 9/11 - there was no Flight 198 arriving at 9/12.

This has caused a lot of confusion among researchers, but it's definitely true. Check it with other west-east flights.

Well, I don't know, but I think so. I have a photo from him, his wife, and his child, a young family. I think he was maybe 35 in 2001.

Woody Box,

I am sure you are one of the best researchers on this subject…

When I send an article to “Wild West” magazine; and all other published history websites… they demand…three levels of data….

We hope...You are most likely right…

REBrammer

Hi Woody, first of all thank you very much you for taking the time to reply to my questions.


No problem at all for the sources, of course I understand.
Actually my question about the pilot of Flight 198 was primarily intended to determine whether it was John Ogonowski or not. According to your sources, Flight 198 arrived at Gate 32 at 6:03, so we can assume that the same plane (N334AA) and the same pilot were used for the official Flight 11, i.e. the plane that departed on 7:45 from Gate 32 according to the 9/11 Commission Report. Of course, there was a lot of time from 6:03 to around 8 o'clock to move from Gate 32 to Gate 26, so the question will probably remain unanswered anyway. However, it could be interesting to know whether John Ogonowski was at the controls of Flight 198 or not. According to her wife Margareth, John Ogonowski "held the line". Now, leaving aside the conflicting statement from Walter Sorenson, it would be interesting to know whether this "line" included Flight 198 and then Flight 11 as a non-stop or not. In other words: where was John Ogonowski before allegedly piloting Flight 11?

Also, I have another question about the account from Karen Booth (quoted in your article).



I assume that this

Carrier Date Flight # Tail # Destination Sched. Departure Actual Departure Wheels-off Time Taxi-out Time (Minutes)
AA 09/11/2001 1019 N078AA SJU 06:55 07:00 07:14 14

was the flight that Karen Booth took. However, Flight 198 came from SFO, not from LAX. In this page from the airliner.net' forum a short analysis of Karen Booth's statement is provided. According to this source, Flight 198 arrived at Gate 21, not at Gate 32. Can you definitely assure that this information is false?

Sorry for asking so many questions, but I think this is vital to keep your theory "clean".


Thank you very much for this clarification, Woody. This explains a lot of things.

Regards
Sergio

The entire frigging story is a lie, from start to finish. Thus it is an EXTREMELY high probability that something was also faked at BOS.

No brainer.

Regarding gate 21 - I think you misinterpreted the message:

You read it like this:

arrived at the gate 21 minutes ahead of it's scheduled 6:24 arrival time at 6:03

But it should be read like this:

arrived at the gate 21 minutes ahead of it's scheduled 6:24 arrival time at 6:03


Regarding Ogonowski - I think I read a report that he drove to the airport in the morning of 9/11 - have to look...

Hi Woody,
you're definitely right.

Thank you for helping me clarify this issue.

Regards