Hi,
first, I'd like to suggest the Pilots Forum to combine WTC 1 and 2 Forums. Many of the posted topics in each room pertain to both buildings. More than the pertain to a single building. It would be easier to know where to post if even all WTC posts were in just one room. So, not knowing which room to post this to, I chose WTC 1.

With 5 years aviation and 25 years metal fabrication under my belt, I have written a paper that analyzes this famous photo. It also scrutinizes a photo used recently by "debunkers" when in fact, when looked at correctly, it supports the case for thermate at WTC.

This paper leads to another regarding the USGS thermal images from Sept 16th and 23rd, 2001. I'm looking for as much feedback as possible on this before submitting to the various research sites for inclusion.

http://www.centralmass911truth.org/diagonalcolumncut.html

Thanks, Larry

Hi Larry,
I just took a quick look. If I were you, I would put in there somewhere that the pics appear in sequence on the hereisnewyork.org site ( 5100, 5101, 5102, 5103, 5104 ). Also, you can see the larger context of the diagonal cut on their site ( pic 5100 large )http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/thumb.asp?CategoryID=-1&picnum=2677

http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5100.jpg archive
http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5101.jpg archive
http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5102.jpg archive
http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5103.jpg archive
http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5104.jpg archive

Bottom line for me is this: as far as I know the here is new york gallery is the primary source for those images. They appear to have been added at a similar point in time. That makes it less likely to me that the first picture is evidence for anything other than metal cutting activity. If you can't convince someone who is willing to admit to the possibility (even the likelihood) of CD as an explanation for the WTC collapses with those pics, I doubt you'll change many minds of those who aren't willing to look at CD as a potential option yet.

Hi,
The paper's intent was not designed to be another "smoking gun". The point of the paper is to be supportive evidence. It addresses a single question, was this cut created by controlled demolition, or by iron workers during clean up? To look at it without "iron worker" experience or scrutiny, the Diagonal Cut Column photo can be looked at 2 ways, either it was cut possibly by charges or thermate which is what we would imply, or possibly by iron workers as the skeptics would suggest.

The 2nd photo when analysed from an iron workers point of view, can logically determined that it was not done during cleanup, which allows the first photo to be admissable as evidence of controlled demolition.

Thanks, Larry

Ahhhh I remember this one well....being that I am in the precision metal trade and know quite a bit about steel columns and how they are cut, and the characteristics that go with that...I will say that with 100% assurance, that was not cut with a torch, in fact, it is impossible to make a cut like that with a torch, or any other hand held instrument.

That I am sure of.

Can you go into great detail on why you think that? Experience, etc.? I ask because that pic is, to me, solid proof.

How frequently does anyone come across the need to cut 4 inch box beams so as to offer an expert opinion?

I have already been through this in an old thread at LC.


I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I am in the metal trade and know of what I speak, have been in this line for 24 years now. And while its true I havent cut any 4 inch thick beams before, I havent fu*ked a gorilla either, but I just know I wouldnt like it.

I can respect that.

That pic is one of my first presentations to people that have never been exposed to any evidence or don't even know there is a "conspiracy" theory out there to be listened to.. like me, only 6 months ago.

I would only like to have it considered that there must be a way that they can be cut by hand, simply because they are no longer there. They had to have been cut up to be removed unless they were already at a length to haul...

This is what a torch cut looks like.



Its absolutely retarded (to me anyway) that anyone would even consider this column was cut during the clean up....and criminal.

Thank you !!!

That's the pic I don't have. That's the pic that I can present to people and ask them to apply one iota of common sense to both pics and ask which story violates even the vaguest thread of common sense.

That is the pic I can present to Congress in our mailings on Feb 15th and ask Congress to answer the questions that it raises.

in case you're curious, there is alot of pics of torch-cut metal at this site:
http://www.apexvfd.org/photos/usar_apex_2004/torches.html

and some good pics (at bottom) with info on the various metal cutting (non-demolition) techniques:
http://www.twi.co.uk/j32k/protected/band_3/jk50.html


and some videos:

video - "cuts like knife thru butter" superquickness:
http://www.oxyfuel.com/video/highspeedcutweb1.mpg

more videos: http://www.oxyfuel.com/video/video.html

more videos:
http://www.oxyfuel.com/video/gougeweb3.m1v
http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_cutting_sheet_metal.htm
http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_cutting_thick_steel.htm

Not being a metal worker, I offer no opinions on what may have cut beams in any of the following pics, just adding them in as pics showing GZ columns...

Many of the original FEMA high-res images can be found in this directory (I couldn't find a thumbnailed version though):

http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/original/

This suggests as much:

http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/thumbnail/

Here is the FEMA search page:
http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photolibrary/index.jsp

I am looking for these lost pics of wtc beams cut with a torch....please post if you have them!

I think I remember the pics you're talking about. I've got one of them at least saved on my hard drive as a jpeg. I don't have a web hosting account anywhere, but I can post the pic on an obscure CL board and you can pick it up there.

Try this: http://colombia.en.craigslist.org/pol/1372260395.html

The link to the OP Astronut's (aka Larry the Metalsmith) paper on the angle cut column has been broken for a while. Although not the complete paper, he posted part of it on 911Blogger about the same time he came here looking for feedback. If anyone's interested in what started this thread, here's a link to part of it: http://www.911blogger.com/node/5149

Hope that helps.

The internet archive saved the second one in your reply to StephenDC above...



http://web.archive.org/web/20070622052824/...rg/pic87970.jpg

I may have the wide angle shot of that scene somewhere, but I will have to look for it.

YES!! That is one of them!!! TY!!!!

Thats the melted column...was looking for the contrast between the torch cut and the molten steel flow of this one.

Another good one!! Thank you!!

anytime mate, you're welcome!



ps - the one i posted is slightly cropped and its size reduced to allow it to better fit in/on the forum.
the full sized one here: http://i26.tinypic.com/kcyqdt.jpg

Here's the image in context.




Sam Hollenshead was the photographer. But the original link doesn't work any more.

http://www.lraphotography.com/essays/sep11/essay_wtc.php

In the picture above, the fireman in the middle, in front of the angle cut column is wearing a helmet with the #864.

The numbers on FDNY helmets indicate the company or battalion the fireman is from. However, I can't find any company or battalion with that number?

For the record, I am a “Union” trained/certified plumber/pipefitter; as well as a State licensed Master Plumber with over 35 years of experience in commercial construction.
As a General Foreman in the construction of these towers, my responsibilities included plumbing, heating, air conditioning and tons of pipefitting and welding.
The following web site shows most of the pictures I need to make my point from:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index....osition=160:160

They state that:

“And before the 9-11 Truth Movement allows this individual photo to become symbolic of foul play, wouldn't someone want to ask a group of welders at the local union hall what they think of this picture”?

“It would have been a good idea, because these welders would probably tell you that this looks a lot like a cut made by an oxygen lance torch”.

My response:

No welder on earth would make such a “Great angle-cut”…period. WHY? If they were actually cutting steel this large they would require a spotter and a crane for safety. No need for a steep cut?
Even if this were actually clean-up work (after the fact) the picture is still be proof of controlled demolitions. This action would also require the supervision of the fire department. (Remember this is Union work)

Next:

If you look at the guy pictured with the dark tee shirt, he appears to be setting a “Shape Charge” as compared to the guy with the white tee shirt that appears to be placing a “Linear Cutting Charge”.

Please notice that the guy placing the “Shape Charge” is in the exact location we find the so-called “Hole Cut” of the “Great angle-cut”.

In reality, a “Shape Charge” can ignite a “Cutting Charge”. Check out how easy it is to cut up to 6” of steel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudNqf56AFo...feature=related

But if you are still unsure…look at this:

http://www.sonicbomb.com/xv1.php?vid=demol...w=560&h=432

Controlled demolitions can do anything.

Aside from the angle cut beam covered in slag, there's something else wrong with this picture. The 3 'firemen' in the foreground have been photoshopped into the picture.

If you look at this image closely, you can see that the 3 'firemen' are all the same person, in different poses and positions.

the sonicbomb footage is great.

if real, that in and of itself reveals the censorship that bulwarked the oct.

Did anyone watch National Geographic and the FEMA supported EMRTC “Emergetic Materials Research & Testing Center” experiments in order to show us that thermite could not have been used to destroy WTC towers?
There experiments were designed to fail from the beginning.

The Discovery Channel experiment on Shaped Charges already admitted that P4 and C4 in open air do nothing, yet EMRTC uses thermite in open air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0szjEPQsUA

But this next clip shows that thermite will cut steel and it will flow like a blow torch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qnHlVTaVs...feature=related

EMRTC also showed a 20 foot x 8 inch steel “I” beam suspended horizontally, with its edges on concrete bases and placed it over a lake of 700 gallons of fuel. They next placed 1 ton of steel blocks in the center of the “I” beams and set the fuel on fire to prove that you could bend the beam when heated.

But wait a minute; the steel columns in the towers were 4 inch thick boxes standing vertically. It would be like proving you could crush a chicken egg when laid horizontally and not vertically.

EMRTC went so far as to blow up a plywood and DUROCK® cement board box to prove that no explosives were used in the Pentagon! Experts or clowns?

About Post # 11 by Waterdancer:

The pictures shown are clear and interesting and I am no better metal worker than Waterdancer but :

why would one cut columns at different heights and patterns ?

The last pictures where the same column seems to have been simply glued on end and with rather thin longitudinal welds -given the thickness of the steel plates is intriguing.

Hiram

In the fireman group photo, I count six men...can you find them all?

It took me a little while to understand that the C-4 is what actually blows the column sideways.

For you mad bombers check out the following site.
You can set off C-4 with a light bulb.


http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthr...3&tid=10575

It is obvious that the diagonal cut column is still in place and would have been in the basement of the WTC. Could the cutting of this beam with thermite (or thermate) have been the "explosion and fire" that Willie Rodreguez experienced right before the first plane impact? the cutting of several crucial beams in the basement would assure that the site would not be left with a very high column of the central core, which, without cutting beams in the basement, would have been expected to happen due to the tremendous strength of the 47 4" thick box beams in the lower floors. There would be absolutely no reason for that beam to have been cut at a diagonal during the removal of the debris.

It seems that each and every piece of data that I look at closely weakens the Official Story and fills in more of the missing pieces of what really happened on 9/11/2001.

Now we need justice.

This is a picture of 2 diagonal cut columns during search and rescue. There is NO clean up going on at this point. This is out of the Times magazine dated sept 24 2001. I'm tired of everbody saying these were done during clean up. Some of them may have. BUT NOT THIS ONE!

That's the key. The only pictures worth anything are the ones taken on the first day of the attack. Except for search and rescue the site was should have been designated a crime scene and the evidence should have been carefully collected and documented. That's why Rudy and Co were in such a big hurry to 'clean up' the site.

After that, the visual evidence is so disturbed that without physical evidence, there's no way to know when the cuts were made. But a picture that shows cuts made before the iron workers arrived is more evidence that the WTC was prepared in advance of the attack to be deliberately blown up.

Some of the cuts could have been made days ahead of the attack in order to prep the building. A lot of work can be covered up with a piece of drywall. Just loosening a lot of the bolts, would help things along and who would ever notice?

Nice job!!! Never noticed that before but its obvious now. I think the dude in the back looks chopped in also.

Thanks. I love the guy sitting next to the fire on the left.

If you pull this picture into a photo editing program like Photoshop, it's easy to see that the image is layered and the 'firemen' are models that were photoshopped in.

This photo was taken by Sam Hollenshead and he won a Pulitzer Prize for it, so it's not just any photo.

One question would be why a welder would cut the beam so high if the purpose was to remove the beam from the area. Welders don't really like to cut huge steel beams where the slag will fly back at their face. The slag definately is from the inside out on the lowest face. It appears that the force from the cutting jet was from top to bottom across at an angle.
Its also a rather clean cut. A torch cut with the beam pushing down on the slag would have allowed for reattachment of the molten slag. That happens to me pretty often, cutting even 3/4" plate. It seems to me there should have been broken reattachment points unless the beam was cut all the way across at once and slipped over while the steel was molten. Also like the expert says, a crane would have had to have been lifting the beam as a welder cut it.
The only thing that comes to my mind that this isn't evidence of controlled demolition is if thermate cutters were used during clean up. I mean, why not ? It would be the quickest and safest way to cut the core columns for removal.

That other guy in the picture looks pretty clean too eh ?

IF, there was some overhanging dangerous mass attached to that beam, a welder could have cut the far three sides, the beam could have bent over, and then the last, closest side could have been cut from the backside (inside) out. I'd doubt that as a thermate charge would be safer and easier, and/or cutting the upper mass apart would allow for easier clean up of the whole mess.

Unless you wanted the beam to shoot out or slide to one side, it would have been easier to cut with a torch the connecting points which were probably bolts or rivets where the beam had its seperating joint above.
Demolitions will cut the beam at a slant in two places to allow for an instantaneous slipping out from under the load to allow for a near free-fall speed to give the collapsing mass the most accelleration to gain the most kinetic energy to demolish the structure below and the mass itself.
The speed at which destruction below the collapse zone progressed downwards indicates a need for very fast dislodging of beams which would require slant cuts. But there should be a lot of slant cuts, not one or two. Unless a few slant cuts were used for guiding the collapse and for downward acceleration, and some kind of joint dismemberment was used to seperate the columns at the joints to be flung apart by the kinetic mass generated by the slant-cut sections.

Trying to stay on topic “Famous diagonal Cut Column”:

I think it is only fair to understand the relationship between Ironworkers and structural steel.

Ironworkers…sometimes called “I” beam cowboys; they are masters at walking and working the high steel. Most steel is bolted or riveted together and there is some welding and cutting involved. Most Ironworkers are not required to be certified, they are what we Pipefitters call “Rod Burners”. (Very few use eye protection)

On the other hand:

No UA welder can work on a job site until he/she passes a weld test called a “Coupon”. They must pass this test for every material they desire to work on.

When proven to be an “Expert” this may lead to the "Golden Arm Syndrome" which results in:

1. Starched Khaki (Car hart) shirts, and spit shined boots that prevent burning.

2. Red bandannas with $100.00 worth of 316L Swagelok fittings holding it together, and matching welder skull caps to protect the ears.

3. Tungsten holders and belt buckles fabricated out of various alloys with more Swagelok fittings.

4. The inability to weld on anything that is not round with a hole in it.

5. The constant belief…that the last job and the next job are better than the one you are on.

On the other hand:

To an Ironworker…assembly is an “Art” which is not the same as disassembly.

Cutting stuff up, or off or down is nothing more than a pay check. Who cares what it looks like…these guys are not lumber jacks chopping down trees.

After the fact it is nothing more than clean up and removal, which does not require perfection.

WHY BOTHER WITH PERFECT CUTS?

The perfect diagonal Cut Column is proof of foul play.Kinetic energy is only need to bring the top to the bottom.

It has the signature C-4 provided “Boring Hole” and the deep cut of a “Linear Cutting Charge”. Who cares about thermite. RDX works just fine.

In fact, all four planes could not bring down one tower. If for some freak of nature, they could…you would still have 36 tons of titanium on the ground. Even if they were made of lead…where is the mass?

Check out this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Mohamed

I would put my money on him!

The other guy doesn´t seem to quite "fit" either.
Look how WHITE that shirt is and what is he actually standing on?

Weird.

I, too, have many years(25) of mfg./fab. experience in the aerospace industry, and know this isn't a man made cut. Oxy-acet. torches do not leave slag, and there is absolutely no reason to make a diag. cut. It takes twice as long, and is potentially dangerous as the column could easily slip given any lateral pressure placed on the beam. Time, especially when conducting rescue/recovery activities as on 9/11, is the determining factor to consider when discussing this cut relating to c.d.

I, too, have many years(25) of mfg./fab. experience in the aerospace industry, and know this isn't a man made cut. Oxy-acet. torches do not leave slag, and there is absolutely no reason to make a diag. cut. It takes twice as long, and is potentially dangerous as the column could easily slip given any lateral pressure placed on the beam. Time, especially when conducting rescue/recovery activities as on 9/11, is the determining factor to consider when discussing this cut relating to c.d.

In reviewing literally hundreds of pictures from Ground Zero, I have seen many of the box beams that were cut in a diagonal manner, some right next to ones cut horizontally (which I can't explain). However, there is a mountain of evidence that there were many cut diagonally.

BTW, I have a new neighbor that just moved onto my street. He is a retired B-727 pilot (laid off many years ago before 9/11) that got involved in the cleanup at Ground Zero. He now is suffering from respiratory problems due to exposures during the cleanup. I still find it hard to believe that the Bush Crime Family White House changed the recommendations of OSHA and the EPA and allowed workers to be on the site without respiratory protection. Just look at the above photographs......not one of those workers are using protection and there is still a lot of dust and fumes in the air. That really shows how cold and heartless those Bushie bastards are.........they really need to be punished for their crimes.

I agree wholeheartedly with the issue of the environmental status change. Pre evasion of liability on a mass level.

As for the cut. It is a salvage cut configured as a special safety cut to facilitate a secure removal by an excavator with a grapple.



The size of the kerf is definately an oxygen lance. The height of the cut is because the operator was in a basket suspended by a crane. The angle has 2 tabs on the left that show fracture surfaces from being broken off by machinery.

This page has my take on the image and its misinterpretations.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo-rense.html

Here is the text on that page I wrote to describe exactly how the cut was made and why.

Shows a steel column with a salvage torch cut not a thermite cut. Thermite cuts are smooth, rounded, non linear events lacking all control. I do not know what kind of expert the article author consulted with, but I am my own expert having been involved with salvage and welding for 35 years.

I will explain exactly how the column was cut with a torch and provide another image showing the method used where it is more easily seen.

The image in the article shows a beam having a special salvage cut done on an angle which facilitates a hinging action. The remnant, not cut, in the upper left hand corner is the hinge point, The angle of the cut allows the beam to be tilted to the left as we see it supporting the weight until the hinge snaps off. This keeps the weight from being solely supported by the grapple of the excavator that is removing the piece. The weight of the column can cause it to slide from the grapple into the area below where retrieval would be difficult if not impossible until much later. The idea is to keep and get the iron away from the hole. the angled cut allows a semi horizontal swing away from the hole by the excavator, a fairly difficult move as the grapple has to turn, the boom has to go down a little and the crowd has to go out while the tracks move in the direction the column is going to lay in while the excavator re grabs the piece to carry it away. The uncut hinge point also keeps the column in place while the salvage worker completes his cuts.

How the worker does the cuts is as follows.
On the back top left of the beam is seen the primary entry point into the hand fabricated tempered steel column. It is a slight dip, 1/2 of a hole about the same basic size as the one seen below. A torched entry hole, second image down, upper column, left side, in another column that was cut square.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/PictureTours/beams.html
With the standing column in the top image the entry hole is cut first in the upper back and an oxygen lance is inserted into the hole until it reaches the inside of the opposite side, the side facing the camera. The worker, on his side, can clamp a straight edge to the column or prop up some pieces of steel to give a horizontal guide for the torch to slide on while pivoting the torch in the hole causing the cutting tip to travel across the inside of the opposite side. In making this cut the masses of slag dribble down the face we see. After that cut is made, the most difficult one, the worker gets along side with another guide rail and completes the side cuts blowing the slag inside. Then the back cut is made.

With a piece of tube, when you cannot access to the face of opposite side, this is the only way to complete this cut.

Thermite leaves an amorphous edge that is rounded in all directions, not following any line whatsoever. In 2002 I actually saw a photo from freshkills landfill of a thermite cut column, but failed to copy it. The image is long gone.



Thermite needs a fixture with a ceramic liner for use on columns because it is liquid when burning

Now this image shows a column cut with an absolutely inexplicable type cut and shape. It has "high performance cutting charge" written all over it.

Ok, I’ll admit when I wrong.

We are talking about the “North Tower” correct?

The following picture is the best I could find.



There is a worker bent over just a few feet to the left of the column in question. Judging by size the column is fairly large. More than 22” x 22”.

The worker in the white shirt appears to be standing on a toppled column. (Perhaps the one in question)

It appears to be in the afternoon with the sun on the right, so I’m guessing we are on the north side looking south. If so it appears we are looking at column 805!

The following web site clearly shows the tower under construction.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index....osition=181:181

First go to the column layout…Go to the pictured titled:

“This is a very informative picture of the base of the core taken during construction. This photo was taken at about the same point of construction as the other black-an-white picture shown before”.

Now do a split screen and compare the “column” photo with the “core” construction photo and you are sure to discover that the “column” in question is a core column.


I think that “rense.com” is the one spreading a little poop by stating it is outside the core wall!

Well, as is my practice, I stand corrected. Christophera's explanation has altered my opinion of this photo. Still, I personally have never seen a torch cut with that much slag.(some of my first welds looked like that,though ) You can see other diagonal cuts in the picture, one just to the right of the cut in question.

Hey, shouldn't these firemen cast dark shadows in the bright sunshine? All other vertical objects in the shot do. Hmmmm.....

The angle has the shadows obliquely located. I do believe I see scraps of them draped over wreakage.

The column laying down, appearing under the worker in the white shirt is well in the foreground of the worker and also has no sign of being heated while not having the proper angle on the end to have been cut from the column in question.

The information on the core structure has been intentionally falsified by authority guilty of treason and they have passed it down to multiple parties who propagate the misinformation without knowing it.

I have filed a USC Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382 disclosure related to this deception in a US District court 2/18/10. It proves the deception with independently verified evidence.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html

The core of the towers was a rectangular concrete tube and there were no steel core column inside of it. It was surrounded by continuous 100% welded box columns one of which is shown cut in the photo. The concrete core was absolutely needed to resist torsion and resulting oscillation in high winds.

The US government has been infiltrated since well before the construction and the entire thing is a protracted conspiracy.

See this video at 6:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJWBcWAeAw

The core did not contain an "enclosure of concrete". The core columns were covered by 3" thick gypsum panels.

I had seen that video before but never really understood what he was saying. After looking at the construction of the cores with the infomation that you said about the concrete. It looks like the intended to bring them down from the very beginning. Am I right about that? Am I understanding that the cores should have been filled with concrete? Do you have any proof that they were indeed supposed to have concrete in the cores? I do understand the reason for it and it makes sense.

To use the term "cores" is confusing. Each tower had one core. They were huge rectangular cast concrete tubes of shearwall design.



Yes, but that fact naturally works within cognitive dissonance and promotes the function of the "big lie". Accordingly the best position for Americans seeking to support and defend their Constitution is to limit their issues to the deprivation of due process associated with the deception invalidating the analysis of collapse and the production of the official "cause of death" on death certficates.

We have all been deprived of due process and equal protection of law. Those of us who are well informed and aware, with open minds, feel endangered by this, and that is reasonable in these conditions.

Can you also admit, that the men in the image were inserted, ie photoshopped into the picture? Therefore, the worker in the clean white shirt isn't standing on anything and shouldn't be used for comparisons.

The other problem with using this image is that people use it to claim that the picture was taken further along into the clean up, after the site was turned over to the iron workers to begin removing the steel. Since the men were added in, the picture could have been taken earlier, so that claim is put back into question.

Even the slag is questionable, since that could have also been an 'added' feature.




Same thing with this image of the ironworker, cutting the columns. Only problem, pull the picture into photoshop and look at the diagonal cut. Somehow they cut the column but they didn't cut the strapping in front of it. Amazing.

Long time no see, Christophera!

I hope you have some good lawyers assisting you!

To technically evade the oxymoron, I used a good ex lawyer.

I assume you refer to the recent Title 18 disclosure.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html

With the nature of Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382, it is not needed. In fact, the entire form that is seen here on the conformed face page is not needed. Apparently the districts courts have never seen use of the law so never accomodated the process. The form of pleadin had to be present for the clerks to assign a case number. Judges only deal with information as clerks can handle it, record it and duplicate it. The language of the face page was about 90% of the job.

The lawyer did confirm maximum invocation of law within the form of compliance finally found, but the code and procedure denote no one prosecuting.

Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382 is a stand alone code obviously intended to support and defend the Constitution which automatically calls upon the "allegiance" as an indebtedness, obviously primarily by oath. Any soldier would have to report concealment of treason, or a police officer by law.

Pursuant to TITLE 18, PART I , CHAPTER 115, §2382 U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
Section 2382. Misprision of treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

A US citizen, logically, is not less indebted to support and defense of the Consitution than an immigrant,


The "immigrant" Oath of Allegiance
The final step in the naturalization process is the reciting of the "oath of allegiance" by the applicant, in which he or she makes several promises upon becoming a U.S. citizen. The oath of allegiance is:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."


The intent of the code logically would be to open doors into government and the judiciary for recieving information of treason and see that the appropriate agency is set in motion for investigation and intervention. The "ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE" is carried with a bias of acceptence tradititonally by the court towards the information and "showing cause", functionally testing the notion the information "may not be true or correct".