Fresh food.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4574

Thanks

You got your work cut out for you, the neutralizers are out in full force...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...view=getnewpost

Keep kicking up dust guys.

Let's see, how do I say this..
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1) The FDR did not record the final seconds of Flight 77. There is up to 2 seconds missing.
Maybe, becuase there sure is no impact, or pole snapping, or ground dragging recorded. In fact, it's too high, so yes, some time is missing.

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10) Any analysis must account for (or justify ignoring) these issues in order to draw any valid conclusions.
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Okay, that's better. Now we can get on with the other stuff.

It seems to me that some people are getting very upset already.

But ... I am not an expert of any kind... but I can understand that the FDR does not support the official story.

This key evidence does not support the official story.

I mean... people can spin up this or that ... trying to find some excuses.

But I dont belive that it will hold any water.

Most people will understand that something is clearly rotten in Danmark.

Behind, post UT's reponse. I am trying to get a new account there.

BTW,

Just so every knows it and can compare, here is the flight path we have confirmed through witnesses.

It only goes back as far as the Army Navy Country club, about 1-2 miles back.

The plane made a lazy S.

Yes.

But the problem is that some people are getting very upset over there and my english is so bad that it is hard for me to debat all this spin back and forth etc.

They need 6-8, eight seconds based on radar altitude and vertical speed. Period.

agreed... the people who ignore the evidence as provided by the NTSB seem to want to fill their own agenda.

A picture of the new readout's lift off recorderings for Lat/Lon.
The single mark to the lower right is where it was at the previous engine shutoff.

Thats gonna confuse people.. you should make the picture north up.


good work tho..

Just wanted to show how it lined up with the runway.

Behind, if you quote me in another forum, please quote wrap the whole thing so the 'effect' is not lost thanks

Well.. i dont think it will confuse many of our members.. but it might confuse some of our 'guests'. Oh well... no biggie.

Yes. Ok. It was a mistake...sorry. I guess I did not understand your 'effect' until to late. (my bad english... again...sorry)

And btw. I want to Thank you for all the work you have done on the FDR issue.

For some reason I have always from when I started to research Pentagon, speculate: How was the final flight pat? How was it possible? etc.

Since it was obvious that no camera capture this (and then I count out the strange blurry image from the DoD video)... the last hope was the FDR.

Now I know how the FDR show this magic flight... it does NOT. It show something else than the official story.

But I have been assure for a long time that no B757 hit the Pentagon 9/11... and I simply cant understand why everybody else can not see that the official story is impossible... not because of one thing or two... rather because, that all part of the hole Pentagon story just does not add up in any way (that is my opinion)

(And of cource I like to thank Jdx (Rob) for all his great work.)

ps. and it is very strange to suddenly have the radar altitude... it is nearly... to much!

Here's one thing I wanted to do.

Green P9-P0 is night before engine off
Red M1 is at the Terminal
Yellow M2 is backed out and start of Taxi
Red M3 is Radio Alt 3 Feet, 1st indication of lift off


I did not map all, beause of repeatings. Only the take off represents one Mark per second.

I'd say that Interntia Positional system is pretty damn accurate. If you slide that path up, and maybe a smidge to the right.

Good work UT.

I emailed you.. .dont know if you got it yet.

That green looks like the aircraft was towed to overnight parking. And then towed to the gate in the morning. I can figure out exactly what gate it was pushed from when i get the chance.. .but for now, i need the information contained in the email.


Cheers!
Rob

Now when you adjust the ending by the offset (which is about 5-15degrees and 3200 feet) you get this. Blue Marks are per second end recordings, white line is rough 3200 foot ruler of roughly the right angle.

Replied to you.

"There were no problems or delays in loading the data and seeing that the file is good.
About 11-13 flights were evident just by displaying airspeed in graph for the length of the file."

"We tried to export CSV the entire file for all params but gave up after a long time. We estimated the resulting CSV would have been huge and taken hours to process. You wouldn't even be able to begin to look at it unless you put it in a database. It would have been great to have, but oh well."

Moved your original points up to match.

You emailed me back? Im not getting my emails now... been having problems latey... ugh!

Call me when you get a chance. Does this mean we have or we do not have 11-13 flights? Or just their lat/long? hopefully?

No, we only exported a little bit of the previous end of recording, plus the final flight.

Since people are wondering but interest is lite, here a super slop paste.
Yes, if un-corrected between the beginging and end of flight, the hard data shows this. Lasso and move. I extended the line by 8 seconds of the previous acceleration. So 8-9 seconds along the same path.



This is the hard raw data, read out for a 2nd time. If you post the previous take off pic LNTTTPos.jpg somewhere, you can at least include the legend which explains the colors and names.

I noticed our govt loyalist friends think the data stops 8 seconds away from the pentagon. It seems they dont know how to look up VOR/DME data..lol

Hint.. for you govt loyalists out there. If the data actually stopped where the picture above shows.. how did the recorder record 1.5 DME off DCA VOR?

Insert Twilight Zone music here.. im sure they'll need it.

Next...

If you back up 8 seconds off the pentagon.. you have to move the whole animation back by 8 seconds. You will have the airplane taking off on the instruments while the aircraft is still at the departure end standing still.

Let that one bake their noodle for a bit. I know they're watching. I got bored tonight . They still refuse to email and have a real debate. I can see why. They arent too bright.

UT... .did i predict this one or what? . I know them better than they know themselves.

Rob,
Is there an ongoing effort to package this so that Larry Layperson can look at it and understand it immediately without training wheels or a personal guide. I would love to send something of that nature to Rep. Bastian.

The flight path south of the Citgo is used here. Per the Pentacon eyewitnesses, we know it went North of the Citgo, so should the study not depict objects on that path as well? What about a depiction that displays the flight path implied by the FDR altitude, both Radar Altimeter and Pressure Altitude (with altimeter setting 29.92)?

Any of this make any sense?

PBB2, The AA77 Flight Position Data Video presentation on google and the Radar altitude pinned thread in the AA77 forum are the "packages" you are looking for. AA77 press release can also be used as a supplement.

Just one question. According to my understanding, the FDR shows an official Flight 77 aircraft altitude of 480 ft MSL (+/- 75 ft) and a height above the Hwy 27 bridge (40 ft MSL) of 440 ft (+/- 75 ft) and a height above the helipad (26 ft MSL) of 454 ft (+/- 75 ft) and an aircraft speed of 462 knots (531.66 mph) (779.94 fps). The flight path appears to stop 8 seconds or 6239.52 feet (1.18 mile) from the alleged impact point at the Pentagon wall or 3200 ft from the #1 light pole or 2822 feet west of the VDOT antenna. Does this last screenshot (EDT 13:37:44) from the animation represent that same reference point?
Thanks.

Thanks Rob. That answered my question.