QUOTE (keroseneaddict @ Oct 14 2008, 04:57 PM)
It's been said before, but the alleged maneuvers would create gforces that no human could handle, unless wearing a g suit, and probably not even then.....
Can you elaborate on this more? I am not a pilot. I have been discussing the issue with a pilot on www.topix.com - trying to be very open minded. My thought was that flying such a large jet a 500 mphs with all the mayhem that was going on - nearly impossible. And on top of this for 3 of 4 planes to hit there targets. Just did not seem right. He said basically the passengers would feel 1 g on the turn into the pentagon
The guy I have been speaking with says that the manuever was easy and that even a pilot of hanjor ability could do it (8 out of 10 times)
Am I understanding this right? So what the vid says is that basically the manuever could be done by an experienced pilot. The only problem is hanjor was not an experienced pilot and this is where the story does not match.
This guys says he had a license there you go.
Here is one of our exchanges if you are curios and have the time:
So tom is the drop at 30 feet per second for AA 77 - is that a big deal?
Is that the same as dropping 30 feet per second straight down?
Also can you (and truth too) explain Lears issue with the "field barometric" and the "altimeter" being set. He said something about getting the field barometric from RR airport from 150 miles away.
Do you know the difference between velocity & acceleration?
A person dropping 30 ft/sec would have absolutely zero indication that was happening if he did not have an altimeter. Passengers feel nothing.
In order for an altimeter to work properly, you need to set it to the correct local barometric pressure. This is done by turning a knob on the altimeter to show the right pressure. This is called a Kollsman window. If this is not set right, you will have an error in the altitude reading.
When a plane is at the high altitudes that commercial jets fly, there is a different procedure. Everyone sets their reference pressure to 29.97 mm Hg. That way, you're not constantly resetting it as you fly along.
It is unlikely that the hijackers bothered resetting their altimeter, and had an error in their recorded altimeter.
I have no doubt that Lear has what he believes to be a smoking gun of some sort. Unfortunately, Lear is untrustworthy precisely because of his conspiratorial nature and willingness to screw with people.
I also know that pilots are NOT the right people to ask about the esoterica of the workings of aviation equipment. The right people are aviation engineers.
There are 2 factors that affect the accuracy of the reading: barometric pressure & temperature. The altimeter does not compensate for temp. A 20°F decrease in temp compared the a standard temp profile results in a 17 foot error (you would be flying 17 feet lower than indicated). An error of 0.4 mm Hg means about 400' error in altitude.
And a whole passel of NTSB and independent competent aviation engineers have gone thru the FDR data and found it to be completely consistent with Flight 77's flight path.
Any input you can provide would be greatly appreciated! TY!